The Democrats, not the GOP, are using the racial division strategy - and know it. Here’s a quote from Andrew’s in this article:
“If minority voters stop polarizing along racial lines and start polarizing around education and income, then we're going to lose a big chunk of voters to the Republicans at that point. We’ll start losing urban districts because we're suddenly 50/50 with Black voters, and then we're in a whole hell of a lot of trouble.”
See, they know they have to keep people (especially minorities) racially polarized in order to keep their voter base, because they don’t have anything to offer on issues like education and income.
Here is an outside View from switzerland. I See it Like that: why is everything related to Gender And Race. Why Not concentrate on working class people And the middle Class. If you manage to get in the Head of this Demographic you will win. The people care about Inflation And have Fears about getting enough Food on the table in the Future. These topics Are crucial for your Country. Dont concentrate so much on dividing the people by Race And gender. Find a way to adress the people wich is Not filtered by Race And gender.
30 years ago another mother told me she thought one of her most important jobs as a parent was to raise more good young men. I took that to heart and fundamentally believe that involves empathy. Having empathy for these boys at all stages, that empathy shown for them is caught and they can then show it for others, so that the culture of status games can be channeled to leverage power and resources for others rather than hoarded. It is a challenge at times for women/mothers to cultivate empathy in the midst of a culture that devalues women, that celebrates me-ism instead of we-ism. I believe culture is a huge lever in this battle, and we are making progress. Look at the narratives explored on the 911 tv shows as examples. We can all continue to improve our communication and relationship skills throughout our lives in service to building a better world, demonstrating our values will build the trust to make that “possibility world” of empathy, kindness, and solidarity that results in enough resources, fairness, justice, and respect….all the things we want for ourselves. I continue to think if mancala (in which you more often win thru the strategy of giving) rather than monopoly was the quintessential childhood game, how might that transform American culture (of all kinds, business, entertainment, narratives) and the world?
Good article but as an older white male who has fought the progressive fight my entire life I would like to add how disappointed I am with the lack of good PR by national Dems who should have been shouting from the rooftops how great Biden was doing as President. I would also add how disappointing the blue state legislators and governors have been in not expanding universal vote by mail which not only boosts voter turnout BUT saves tax money which appeals to white middle class and lower income workers!!! Same with combining the local elections with the even year elections! Moves which could have been combined with free breakfast and lunches for school kids or for universal Pre-K which cuts crime according to law enforcement experts- again appealing to lower and middle class working folks!
This is why the so called GOP is so despicable. They are using racial warfare and blatant racism to lure white male voters. The fact that it is working is what I have a hard time with. White males are the most privileged in our nation and frequently vote against their self interest. They go for racists who do not deliver on any promises. They believe it when they are told they are under attack. The corporate media is complicit in this as they rarely tell the truth on anything. This election and our country’s very survival is at stake and all they can say is “What about me?” The lies that vance and trump and the entire republican party have told continue to go unchecked. Media outlets have normalized the republican kind of talk. It is sad that we continue to repeat the worst of our history over and over again. The beneficiary of bad policies does not want those policies to change. Sad indeed. Musky is a bigoted person who gets massive government subsidies. He should be deported for his actions alone.
I think you have it backwards. The democrats are using the racial division strategy, and know it. Here’s a quote from Andrew’s in this article:
“If minority voters stop polarizing along racial lines and start polarizing around education and income, then we're going to lose a big chunk of voters to the Republicans at that point. We’ll start losing urban districts because we're suddenly 50/50 with Black voters, and then we're in a whole hell of a lot of trouble.”
See, they know they have to keep people, especially minorities, racially polarized in order to keep their voter base, because they don’t have anything to offer on issues like education and income.
That is an interesting assessment. I do not agree with you at all. The republicans use talk about legal immigrants who happen to be minorities to show how low they are and know they lie about it. They use racism in more ways than the democrats. A random quote from a few will not change what vance and trump did in this election. Also, keep in mind who the republicans are. These are the people who were dixiecrats. They are the ones who used race for years to justify their actions. No, I do not have it in reverse. I have it correct. Do you believe that immigrants in Springfield, OH eat pets? The racist aligns with republican principles and values.
One statement is not evidence. A party’s position is. A false statement made by the party leaders and acted upon by racists is evidence. You may think it is emotional, but it is fact. The lies were spread and appealed to racists who responded to these lies with bomb threats. Fellow republicans went on the defensive and supported the people who were the subject of these bomb threats. They were hard working legal immigrants. So, it seams you have misunderstood this information.
I have heard that approach from certain people for years. My evidence is with my eyes and not with false information made by one person. I do not call that “factual evidence”. Add to this the fact that I am not a democrat but an independent and your argument falls very flat. Saying immigrants eat cats and dogs without evidence is racism when they are black. Seeing bomb threats and putting bounties up trying to get evidence on hard working legal immigrants should not be a staple of any party. I guess you think I am so dumb that I can forget that the person who started these lies was a maga republican. I would feel the same way, factually, no matter who said that type of thing. I only see you making the same mistake that most make. You are the one who thinks they have evidence whereas you explain things in your own context. I have real evidence and you say it is emotional. Take a hard look at what is real and what was said and what was done. Stay away from things you cannot comprehend. Also, there is a lot more evidence about racism here that I have the patience to deliver. republicans are the party of the dixiecrats now. Look that up and see what I mean.
I mean, I directly quoted the Representative’s words from the article, you can see that for yourself - with your very own eyes.
I am discussing what is plainly written for us both to see- how could it possibly be more factual than that?
My argument about what the article says is not related at all to your political persuasion and I find it strange you think that would matter.
I never said immigrants eat cats and dogs, and I am pretty sure that wasn’t brought up in the article either.
I am only talking about the specific thing the Representative said in the article. Nothing else.
I don’t comprehend your argument because you seem to be bringing in all sorts of things that don’t appear relevant at all, and make no logical tempt to connect or support them.
Are you implying that taking a quote directly from the article we both read is not a form of “fact” in supporting an argument I am making?
If you never saw what jd vance and trump said, you must live in a bubble. They started spreading those rumors and trump repeated it during the debate with Harris. The bomb threats were news all over the country. The republicans who run Springfield, OH made appeals and stated that the immigrants were not eating cats and dogs. Funny how you can remember what one person sad out of context but you claim to have no knowledge of these statements. You also probably don’t remember vance saying he lied but he doesn’t care that he did. Just do a search on it. I guess logic to you is what you think it is. These facts that I am quoting came directly from the candidates you probably voted for. Your premise is that I am a democrat who blindly supports them. That is too far from the truth. I am an Independent who thinks critically about who I support. I can never support maga or trump or vance because they lie for all to see. To directly answer your question, I believe that you have misunderstood and misinterpreted the quote to fit your own argument. You probably don’t believe that racism exists in this country.
Respectfully, I think you’re misreading his comment and taking it out of context. Black and Hispanic voters have long been part of the Democratic coalition because Democrats historically supported things that benefited them — civil rights, voting rights, social safety net, public education, immigration reform, etc. Democrats were the party of economic growth for working people, which has disproportionately included people of color. What Rep. Andrews meant is that as Democrats shift away from their historic mission of delivering for working class people and standing up for voting rights, among other things, they risk losing the support of those voters.
The point is that they have to deliver on education and income or they’ll lose their most loyal voters along with more white working class voters. That’s not racial division, it’s reorienting your service to delivering for constituents.
It’s possible I could be misreading it, but it seems pretty clearly written:
“If minority voters stop polarizing along racial lines and start polarizing around education and income, then we’re going to lose a big chunk of voters to the are public and at that point.”
That is a definitive statement that Democrats benefit from racial polarization, where Republicans do not.
He also doesn’t say working class in this statement, he very clearly says racial.
The whole article is about Democrats needing to win back the votes of white people. Adams specifically says that he wants to focus on class, and believes that the job is to convince working class white people that they have more interests in common with working class Black people than any millionaire CEO.
He also wants to create more universal programs, like the New Deal. Hence the focus on expanding the social safety net and creating good jobs.
If you want to continue to misread and take a quote grossly out of context, feel free, but you’re wasting your time.
you're very right about the media and normalizing such horrible talk. there are two sides, and one can't be favored over the other, so no matter what they say, it has to be deemed acceptable.
The corporate media should be reporting the truth and not normalizing this kind of talk. They should call it out for what it is - blatant and vile racism!
Good points, and a lot to think about. I wish Mr Zacharin had highlighted this part: “I always tell people that the class struggle is the fundamental struggle, and at the end of the day, we should be trying to highlight for working class white men why they have more in common with a working class Black man than they do with any CEO.” It breaks my mind to see someone like J D. Vance snuggling up to Musk or Peter Ariel while simultaneously talking about class struggle.
@Huley Brown - I think you have it backwards.
The Democrats, not the GOP, are using the racial division strategy - and know it. Here’s a quote from Andrew’s in this article:
“If minority voters stop polarizing along racial lines and start polarizing around education and income, then we're going to lose a big chunk of voters to the Republicans at that point. We’ll start losing urban districts because we're suddenly 50/50 with Black voters, and then we're in a whole hell of a lot of trouble.”
See, they know they have to keep people (especially minorities) racially polarized in order to keep their voter base, because they don’t have anything to offer on issues like education and income.
Here is an outside View from switzerland. I See it Like that: why is everything related to Gender And Race. Why Not concentrate on working class people And the middle Class. If you manage to get in the Head of this Demographic you will win. The people care about Inflation And have Fears about getting enough Food on the table in the Future. These topics Are crucial for your Country. Dont concentrate so much on dividing the people by Race And gender. Find a way to adress the people wich is Not filtered by Race And gender.
30 years ago another mother told me she thought one of her most important jobs as a parent was to raise more good young men. I took that to heart and fundamentally believe that involves empathy. Having empathy for these boys at all stages, that empathy shown for them is caught and they can then show it for others, so that the culture of status games can be channeled to leverage power and resources for others rather than hoarded. It is a challenge at times for women/mothers to cultivate empathy in the midst of a culture that devalues women, that celebrates me-ism instead of we-ism. I believe culture is a huge lever in this battle, and we are making progress. Look at the narratives explored on the 911 tv shows as examples. We can all continue to improve our communication and relationship skills throughout our lives in service to building a better world, demonstrating our values will build the trust to make that “possibility world” of empathy, kindness, and solidarity that results in enough resources, fairness, justice, and respect….all the things we want for ourselves. I continue to think if mancala (in which you more often win thru the strategy of giving) rather than monopoly was the quintessential childhood game, how might that transform American culture (of all kinds, business, entertainment, narratives) and the world?
This is the last ruined demographic for them.
Good article but as an older white male who has fought the progressive fight my entire life I would like to add how disappointed I am with the lack of good PR by national Dems who should have been shouting from the rooftops how great Biden was doing as President. I would also add how disappointing the blue state legislators and governors have been in not expanding universal vote by mail which not only boosts voter turnout BUT saves tax money which appeals to white middle class and lower income workers!!! Same with combining the local elections with the even year elections! Moves which could have been combined with free breakfast and lunches for school kids or for universal Pre-K which cuts crime according to law enforcement experts- again appealing to lower and middle class working folks!
This is why the so called GOP is so despicable. They are using racial warfare and blatant racism to lure white male voters. The fact that it is working is what I have a hard time with. White males are the most privileged in our nation and frequently vote against their self interest. They go for racists who do not deliver on any promises. They believe it when they are told they are under attack. The corporate media is complicit in this as they rarely tell the truth on anything. This election and our country’s very survival is at stake and all they can say is “What about me?” The lies that vance and trump and the entire republican party have told continue to go unchecked. Media outlets have normalized the republican kind of talk. It is sad that we continue to repeat the worst of our history over and over again. The beneficiary of bad policies does not want those policies to change. Sad indeed. Musky is a bigoted person who gets massive government subsidies. He should be deported for his actions alone.
I think you have it backwards. The democrats are using the racial division strategy, and know it. Here’s a quote from Andrew’s in this article:
“If minority voters stop polarizing along racial lines and start polarizing around education and income, then we're going to lose a big chunk of voters to the Republicans at that point. We’ll start losing urban districts because we're suddenly 50/50 with Black voters, and then we're in a whole hell of a lot of trouble.”
See, they know they have to keep people, especially minorities, racially polarized in order to keep their voter base, because they don’t have anything to offer on issues like education and income.
That is an interesting assessment. I do not agree with you at all. The republicans use talk about legal immigrants who happen to be minorities to show how low they are and know they lie about it. They use racism in more ways than the democrats. A random quote from a few will not change what vance and trump did in this election. Also, keep in mind who the republicans are. These are the people who were dixiecrats. They are the ones who used race for years to justify their actions. No, I do not have it in reverse. I have it correct. Do you believe that immigrants in Springfield, OH eat pets? The racist aligns with republican principles and values.
You might disagree, and think you have it correct, and that’s your prerogative.
Yet, only one of us here is supporting their argument with tangible evidence rather than emotional appeals.
One statement is not evidence. A party’s position is. A false statement made by the party leaders and acted upon by racists is evidence. You may think it is emotional, but it is fact. The lies were spread and appealed to racists who responded to these lies with bomb threats. Fellow republicans went on the defensive and supported the people who were the subject of these bomb threats. They were hard working legal immigrants. So, it seams you have misunderstood this information.
I have heard that approach from certain people for years. My evidence is with my eyes and not with false information made by one person. I do not call that “factual evidence”. Add to this the fact that I am not a democrat but an independent and your argument falls very flat. Saying immigrants eat cats and dogs without evidence is racism when they are black. Seeing bomb threats and putting bounties up trying to get evidence on hard working legal immigrants should not be a staple of any party. I guess you think I am so dumb that I can forget that the person who started these lies was a maga republican. I would feel the same way, factually, no matter who said that type of thing. I only see you making the same mistake that most make. You are the one who thinks they have evidence whereas you explain things in your own context. I have real evidence and you say it is emotional. Take a hard look at what is real and what was said and what was done. Stay away from things you cannot comprehend. Also, there is a lot more evidence about racism here that I have the patience to deliver. republicans are the party of the dixiecrats now. Look that up and see what I mean.
I mean, I directly quoted the Representative’s words from the article, you can see that for yourself - with your very own eyes.
I am discussing what is plainly written for us both to see- how could it possibly be more factual than that?
My argument about what the article says is not related at all to your political persuasion and I find it strange you think that would matter.
I never said immigrants eat cats and dogs, and I am pretty sure that wasn’t brought up in the article either.
I am only talking about the specific thing the Representative said in the article. Nothing else.
I don’t comprehend your argument because you seem to be bringing in all sorts of things that don’t appear relevant at all, and make no logical tempt to connect or support them.
Are you implying that taking a quote directly from the article we both read is not a form of “fact” in supporting an argument I am making?
If you never saw what jd vance and trump said, you must live in a bubble. They started spreading those rumors and trump repeated it during the debate with Harris. The bomb threats were news all over the country. The republicans who run Springfield, OH made appeals and stated that the immigrants were not eating cats and dogs. Funny how you can remember what one person sad out of context but you claim to have no knowledge of these statements. You also probably don’t remember vance saying he lied but he doesn’t care that he did. Just do a search on it. I guess logic to you is what you think it is. These facts that I am quoting came directly from the candidates you probably voted for. Your premise is that I am a democrat who blindly supports them. That is too far from the truth. I am an Independent who thinks critically about who I support. I can never support maga or trump or vance because they lie for all to see. To directly answer your question, I believe that you have misunderstood and misinterpreted the quote to fit your own argument. You probably don’t believe that racism exists in this country.
Respectfully, I think you’re misreading his comment and taking it out of context. Black and Hispanic voters have long been part of the Democratic coalition because Democrats historically supported things that benefited them — civil rights, voting rights, social safety net, public education, immigration reform, etc. Democrats were the party of economic growth for working people, which has disproportionately included people of color. What Rep. Andrews meant is that as Democrats shift away from their historic mission of delivering for working class people and standing up for voting rights, among other things, they risk losing the support of those voters.
The point is that they have to deliver on education and income or they’ll lose their most loyal voters along with more white working class voters. That’s not racial division, it’s reorienting your service to delivering for constituents.
It’s possible I could be misreading it, but it seems pretty clearly written:
“If minority voters stop polarizing along racial lines and start polarizing around education and income, then we’re going to lose a big chunk of voters to the are public and at that point.”
That is a definitive statement that Democrats benefit from racial polarization, where Republicans do not.
He also doesn’t say working class in this statement, he very clearly says racial.
The whole article is about Democrats needing to win back the votes of white people. Adams specifically says that he wants to focus on class, and believes that the job is to convince working class white people that they have more interests in common with working class Black people than any millionaire CEO.
He also wants to create more universal programs, like the New Deal. Hence the focus on expanding the social safety net and creating good jobs.
If you want to continue to misread and take a quote grossly out of context, feel free, but you’re wasting your time.
Thanks for putting that into words.
you're very right about the media and normalizing such horrible talk. there are two sides, and one can't be favored over the other, so no matter what they say, it has to be deemed acceptable.
The corporate media should be reporting the truth and not normalizing this kind of talk. They should call it out for what it is - blatant and vile racism!
Good points, and a lot to think about. I wish Mr Zacharin had highlighted this part: “I always tell people that the class struggle is the fundamental struggle, and at the end of the day, we should be trying to highlight for working class white men why they have more in common with a working class Black man than they do with any CEO.” It breaks my mind to see someone like J D. Vance snuggling up to Musk or Peter Ariel while simultaneously talking about class struggle.
Sorry to have misspelled Mr. Zakarin’s name.